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roddy -

Yeah, I guess it's fine. Just looked odd to me at first sight.



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makeboluo -

well, i don't like this chinese sentence. i just wonder why some chinese people like to make a
simple sentence more complicated. it sucks.

""他们在潜意识里都不约而同地认为", here, it simply means "they have a common
impression that Chinese is one of the most...










lokki -

Original sentence:
"他们在潜意识里都不约而同地认为，中国话是世界上最难学的语言之一."

This is a little too advance for me, but I have followed the discussion with interest, looked
up the words, and tried to understand how that sentence is put together.

There is still something about the "不约而同地认为, ..." part that I can't quite get my
mind around, and I have the following questions:

1. I suppose the 地 is pronounced "de" here. Is this correct ?
2. Does it have to be 地 and why ? Would 的 be correct too ? or maybe 得 ?
3. Would "不约而同的认为是" be possible ? If not why?
4. Spontaneously (at my beginner level) it "feels" like there
should be a 是 there ( 认为是 ). Can someone explain to
me why it is not needed.










makeboluo -

1. yes, 地 is pronounced "de" here.
2. yes, it has to be 地, not 的 or 得
if the following word is a noun, we use 的 before the noun; if the following word is a verb, we
use 地; 得 is used after adjective or verb
3. and 4. better no 是 after 认为. i don't know how to explain it, but it's kind of difference
as "they think" and "what they think IS"










muyongshi -

是 would make absolutely no sense in that part of the sentence. Think: "they think chinese is..."
verses "the think is chinese is the hardest...". Further along we already use it. If it feels
weird you are thinking that in English there could be a that. They think that Chinese is...

Make sense?










Quest -



Quote:

4. Spontaneously (at my beginner level) it "feels" like there
should be a 是 there ( 认为是 ). Can someone explain to
me why it is not needed.

The 是 is there, after 中國話。










lokki -



Quote:

we use 的 before the noun; if the following word is a verb, we use 地; 得 is used after
adjective or verb 3. and 4. better no 是 after 认为. i don't know how to explain it, but it's
kind of difference as "they think" and "what they think IS"

Thanks makeboluo for this competent and clear explanation. That cleared up my doubts. What tripped
me up was thinking of 认为 as a noun in this case, but seen as a verb it is very clear that
there should not be a 是 there.












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