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imron -
Unfortunately it's either one or the other, and I don't really want to have to maintain two
different versions. I don't know how many other keyboard layouts you use, but keyboard shortcuts
could potentially solve most of your hassles. e.g.
alt-shift will swap between countries/regions, and ctrl-shift will change between layouts for that
country/region. (note, you need to use the alt/ctrl/shift on the left hand side of the keyboard)
So if you put Traditional Chinese and US keyboard under the layout for Taiwan, and pinyinput under
the layout for PRC, then you can use ctrl-shift for swapping between traditional characters and
english, and alt-shift for swapping into pinyinput. This is almost as painless as if you had
Pinyinput grouped together with the other Taiwanese layouts, as you'd still need to typing
ctrl-shift to swap into it anyway.
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imron -
Uploaded a new version that fixes a bug with function keys (see here). Previously when pinyinput
was selected, none of the functions keys (F1, F2, F3, etc) were being passed though to the
application. This is now fixed. See the original post to download the latest version.
imron -
Uploaded a new version fixing a bug when typing ü in checked-mode. Sometimes it wasn't
recognising this as valid pinyin.
woliveri -
There is a simple pattern which I learned when in school here in Shanghai.. It turned out that I
stumped all of my teachers with this question and none could give a reasonable answer when it came
to the proper vowel when two or more vowels are in the same word. I later found out from a
elementry school teacher (Chinese) that the pattern goes like this:
A-O-E-I-U-U(fish eyes) -- A has the heaviest weight, fish eyes the lightest
hao - the tone would go over the 'a'
shuang - the tone would go over the 'a'
guo - the tone would go over the 'o'
hui - the tone would go over the 'i'
etc.......
The reasoning behind this pattern, she said, was the formation of the mouth from most open to most
closed (A being most open, fish eyes being most closed).
Anywhoo, I checked it on every piece of pinyin I could find and it panned out fully.
Perhaps this is a good model for your tone placement algorithm, very simple and effective.
hth,
bill
imron -
I'm not sure that works in all cases. Take for example diū, where the tone mark should go over
the U. Assuming I understand your explanation correctly, then if you were to follow the order
listed, then then tone mark would appear over the I which is incorrect.
The simplest method I found for correctly determining which vowel to place the tone mark on is as
follows:
Quote:
1. If there is more than one vowel and the first vowel is i, u, or ü, then the tone mark appears
on the second vowel.
2. In all other cases, the tone mark appears on the first vowel
woliveri -
oh, nice..
Thank you for exposing a hole in my method.....
woliveri -
Imron,
I've found a bug. When I type: lan3
long has no tone mark on it.
I'm not sure if you've developed for multiple word entries or single word entries. This is a
problem with multiple word entries.
Let me know if I'm not being clear enough..
Thanks,
Bill
imron -
Hi Bill,
That input sequence seems to work fine on my machine, using a variety of different programs. A
couple of quick questions that'll help me identify what's going on:
1) What program are you using when this problem occurs?
2) Does the same input sequence always produce the error, or does it only happen sometimes?
3) Are there any other input sequences that exhibit the same behaviour?
4) Before you press enter, does the second tone appear in the input window? i.e does the tone only
disappear after you press enter?
5) Does pinyinput fail to accept the 2 as input (if this is the case, you will hear a beep).
As for the design, tone substitution works at a syllable level. So when you press a number, it
applies the appropriate tone to whatever the previous pinyin syllable was (assuming there was
one), and then treats any following input as part of the next syllable (or as
whitespace/punctuation/etc). It then allows for multiple syllables to be typed after each other.
woliveri -
Quote:
1) What program are you using when this problem occurs?
2) Does the same input sequence always produce the error, or does it only happen sometimes?
3) Are there any other input sequences that exhibit the same behaviour?
4) Before you press enter, does the second tone appear in the input window? i.e does the tone only
disappear after you press enter?
5) Does pinyinput fail to accept the 2 as input (if this is the case, you will hear a beep).
Hi imron,
ANSWERS:
1) Yeah, It's happening to me in MS Word 2000. If I do it in Notepad I don't have the same problem.
2) It always happens. I found it happens if I type two words then hit enter or one word, hit
enter, then another word it still happens
3) before I was just using NJStar to get the pinyin over, copy and paste, so no, I haven't
experienced this with other things.
4) Yes, the second tone over the second word is there before transferring to the word doc (in the
IME window). After it goes to Word the second tone disappears.
5) no, it accepts the second tone over the second word fine, only after hitting enter to transfer
it to word does it disappear.
Please let me know if you have any more questions. I hope you can reduplicate this error. Like I
said this (so far) is only in Word 2000. It doesn't happen in Notepad so probably has something to
do with Word's formatting krap.
imron -
Unfortunately I don't have MS Word 2000 installed, and the problem doesn't occur in Word 2003,
which is going to make it a pain to test.
Regarding question 3) I was referring to other phrases besides lan3 long2 that cause the problem,
or is it only long2 that causes the problem? and are there any other patterns to types of input
that cause the problem (i.e. it only happens with 2 tones and not 3 tones etc)
Also, can you confirm that you are using the latest version of Pinyinput? (the version uploaded on
the first of june).
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